Discussion about this post

User's avatar
gob's avatar

A quick question that may umbrella out into further discussion—are you operating under the idea that mind is a conceptually universal category? Like, this is mind; anything else wouldn't be mind. I find myself grappling with the idea that there may very well be different typologies (or at the very least descriptions) of mind that would all be somewhat equally valid. This assumed plurality is a big deal insofar as I am reading on philosophy of mind as it sort of indicates to me two problems. But this is strictly speaking coming from someone who doesn't engage with this stuff.

One is that operating on the view that there is only one kind of mind seems problematic, especially considering that advocating for the veracity of one claim necessarily would mean discounting or altogether disregarding other ideas. Not to mention the slew of philosophical problems such as anthropic bias.

Two is that oftentimes mind is not meaningfully distinct from things like reason or thinking. This may seem pedantic to you, but it's a pretty big deal in idealistic metaphysics. Namely, as Christians, there is the problem of how exactly we should view God as a mindful/rational/thinking/agential subject. In my case, for the most part, I would just chalk it up to actus purus, but without very clear distinctions it seems very, very close to Docetism of some kind. So how should Christians think about mind in regards to God? We may have discussed this before, but I forgot where you stand.

An interesting thing Christian philosophers of mind do talk about—and would love to hear your thoughts on—is potentially and actuality. The term I hear used often is possibility, though. In an apologetics context, it's used to defend non-thinking subjects who have the inherent possibility to think (I.e., feti, people in vegetative states, etc.) and likewise attack "thinking" subjects that have no possibility of ever thinking (I.e., AI, robots, etc.). It's nice to see Christians engage in this stuff that would've normally been handwaved decades ago because of souls and lack thereof. Will digress here to avoid opening another can of worms.

Also, I appreciate the call to action to have a more embodied relation with God. Faith should not be a purely mental endeavor; I am speaking as someone who comes from arguably the most embodied of traditions. There's definitely a lot to talk about here. Catholicism itself does have a long and very active theology of the body, with research institutions as well. Not to mention communion bread. You know the thing about bread? Buddy, you're not gonna believe this...

Mark Holzum's avatar

This really landed for me. The move from embodied cognition as a philosophical claim into spiritual practice was especially strong; it avoids the trap of keeping embodiment theoretical. The Botox example and the prayer/ritual section feel like two sides of the same insight: that restriction or engagement of the body changes what is even available to the mind. Rare to see this carried all the way through without flattening it.

3 more comments...

No posts

Ready for more?