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gob's avatar

Awesome post Mark. Touching on a pretty important question most Christians (and those who take Christianity seriously) should consider. Reminds me of a book I read back in my undergrad--"The Priestly Vision of Genesis I" by Mark S. Smith--which argued essentially for the same things you argued for. Genesis is not and should not strictly be seen as history, but a characterization of God and creation rather. And yes, he situates it post-Babylon too. I remember it being pretty influential in my own historiography of the Bible, and Bart Ehrman himself shouted out the book and seemed to agree with its position.

I'm curious as to where you get the idea that the evolution narrative is intrinsically violent and conflict-driven from. I'm not a scientist, but I'm wondering if that is a popular view? I get that survival of the fittest is a thing, but that always seemed to be an accidental byproduct of efficiency rather than a direct result of violent, conflict-driven change.

Caleb Woodbridge's avatar

Thanks for this - I appreciate your articulation of this tension. My understanding would be to see creation outside of the Garden as being good but wild and untamed.

There’s also the whole question of what the Fall entails, and what Paul meant by saying death came through Adam - my read on Genesis is that Adam and Eve were intended for immortality by eating from the tree of life (symbolising choosing to trust God and remain in right relationship with him). But it doesn’t imply that humans were in themselves constitutionally immortal before the Fall or that animals didn’t die. I’d be interested to read you develop your thoughts on this further!

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